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Section 2 (of 10) : General questions
01 : Who is Pink Floyd anyway ?
Who is Pink Floyd anyway?
Pink Floyd is not a person; they are a band. There are five main people that are associated with the name Pink Floyd. These are (along with their birthdays),
| Roger Keith (Syd) Barrett | 6 January, 1946 | George Roger Waters | 6 September, 1943 % | Richard William Wright | 28 July, 1945 | Nicholas Berkeley Mason | 27 January, 1945 | David Jon Gilmour | 6 March, 1946 |
% See the section on "Roger's Birthday"
For a full and detailed history of the pre-Floyd band, we suggest you read the In The Flesh book, by Glenn Povey and Ian Russell. A short, abridged, and therefore incomplete listing is included below. The most important names are given though.
Early 1964, the Floyd-to-be formed as "Sigma 6." They then changed to "The T-Set" ("Tea Set"), then "The Meggadeaths," "The Screaming Abdabs," and simply "The Abdabs." At this point, the band's membership consisted of:
NOTE: contrary to popular belief, and previous issues of this FAQ, the band was never known as "The Architectural Abdabs" this was merely the headline from an article about the band in the polytechnics school paper. The article is reprinted in the "In The Flesh" book.
The Abdabs mostly played rhythm and blues songs. Juliette later married Wright, and she, Noble, and Metcalf all quit the band. Waters then brought in Bob Klose and Syd Barrett for guitars, followed by Chris Dennis to be the lead vocalist. Dennis was soon called for duty by the Royal Air Force, however, and several months later Klose left, leaving the original recorded Pink Floyd lineup. In late '65, they became "The Pink Floyd Sound," then just "The Pink Floyd." The name "Pink Floyd" came from albums by two Carolina blues artists, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council, who were in Syd Barrett's collection.
The Floyd began to attract attention in mid-1966, frequently playing such underground hangouts as The UFO Club and The Marquee Club's Spontaneous Underground. It was during this time that they made the transition from playing psychedelic R&B covers to doing their own songs, almost exclusively Syd Barrett compositions. As Floyd biographer Miles has said about this period, "The Floyd were the *loudest* band anyone had ever heard at that time. They were also the *weirdest*. They were *the* underground band."
The Floyd's growing underground popularity led to a single, "Arnold Layne," released in March of 1967. It entered the British charts at #20, resulting in national media exposure for the band. Their follow up single, "See Emily Play," stayed on the charts for 7 weeks, reaching #6. The Pink Floyd's first LP, _The Piper at the Gates of Dawn_, also remained on the charts for 7 weeks, and also reached #6.
For a much better and more detailed description of the early years, we recommend Julian Palacios' book "Lost In The Woods."
The success that followed their first two singles and _Piper_ proved to be too much for Syd, however, as the vast quantities of drugs he was taking, the blind worship of his fans, the pressure of writing hit singles (his third attempt, "Apples and Oranges," was a flop), and other factors all made him unpredictable on stage and in the studio. The other members of the group decided to bring in an additional guitarist to cover for Syd, and thus David Gilmour was asked to join the band (Jeff Beck was also considered, but the band was in awe of him, and thought he would command too high a price). Gilmour (not the same as jazz musician David Gilmore) had established a reputation as a guitarist and vocalist in the group "The Jokers Wild".
With the addition of Gilmour and Syd's declining state, it was shortly decided that the band could carry on without him, and so one night they simply didn't pick him up on the way to a show. Barrett went on to record two solo albums (with the assistance of the Floyd's members), and while he remained (and remains) a cult hero, he never achieved the musical popularity on his own that he did while with the group.
For a detailed history of this, please see either "Lost In The Woods" or "Crazy Diamond."
Pink Floyd, meanwhile (having shed the "The" part of their name along with Syd), went on to be fantastically successful, following a somewhat rough start sans Barrett. They continued as a foursome from _Saucerful_ through _Animals_; it was during the _Wall_ sessions that Rick Wright was forced out of the group. By this time as well the lyrical and conceptual ambitions of Waters were clashing full on with the musical ideas of Gilmour. On the subsequent _Final Cut_ album, Gilmour acted as little more than a session musician, though the album contains some of his finest guitar work. At that point, it seemed impossible that they would ever work together again, and thus Pink Floyd was seen as dead. To heighten this impression, both Waters and Gilmour produced solo albums, neither of which did terribly well on the charts or as draws for the tours the two embarked on.
What happened next is more fully detailed in the section on "when did Waters leave." In short, Waters decided to officially leave the group; Gilmour and Mason subsequently decided to record an album under the Pink Floyd name. Waters, who thought the name best laid to rest, sued them over its use. The two parties eventually reached a settlement before the matter ever reached court.
Waters also remained active musically, following up his first solo album, _Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking_, with contributions to the movie soundtrack, "When the Wind Blows." His next solo album was _Radio KAOS_, for which he again toured. Again, neither was a great success commercially; certainly not by Pink Floyd standards. Later, in 1990, he staged what was certainly one of the more memorable music "events" in recent history, with his _Wall in Berlin_ charity concert. His most recent work, _Amused to Death_, was not the sales success it was hoped it would be, despite its commercial hype. This was to the great disappointment of many of his fans, who thought that ATD was his best work yet. At this point in time (July 1999) a Waters solo tour through the U.S. has been announced (see http://www.roger-waters.com for full details).
Meanwhile, Pink Floyd (now consisting of Dave Gilmour and Nick Mason) did not die, certainly not legally. Their first post- Waters release, _A Momentary Lapse of Reason_, was a commercial success, and the two member Floyd followed it up with an extensive world tour. In 1994, after several years off, the group, now with a full three members, released _The Division Bell_, and embarked on another tour. A live recording from this tour is the content of their most recent release, _Pulse_.
...which is where things stand right now, pretty much. For the latest rumors of what lies ahead, check out the the section on "Rumor Mill".
Family Tree
Understandably, all these changes can cause a bit of confusion. Here then is a "family tree" of the band. Band names are in double quotes ("this is a band"), and album names are in all caps towards the right (THIS IS AN ALBUM, sometimes abbreviated).
"The Mottoes"
Geoff Mott (Motlow) Syd Barrett Nobby Clarke Clive Wellham Tony Santi
vocals guitar guitar drums bass
-------+-----------------+----------------------------+-----------+----
| | | |
to "Boston Crabs" to "Hollering Blues" +---+-------+
(vocals) (bass) |
|
|
|
"The Ramblers" |
"Joker's Wild" |
John Gordon John Altham |
David Gilmour rhythm guitar, sax, Clive Wellham | Tony Santi
guitar guitar keyboards drums | bass
-----+----------------------------------------------------+-----------
|
|
to "The Flowers" "Sigma Six"
and then "Bullitt" "T-Set"
"Megadeaths"
"Screaming Abdabs"
"Abdabs"
Richard Wright Clive Metcalf Keith Noble
Roger Waters rhythm g. Nick Mason bass Juliette Gale vocals
lead guitar drums vocals
-----------.-.-.-------------------------------------------------------
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| "Blues Anonymous"
| |
| "The Pink Floyd Sound" |
Roger Waters | Richard Wright Nick Mason Syd Barrett Bob Close
bass | keyboards, cello drums guitar guitar
-------------+--------------.-.-.--------------------------------------
\|/
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|
| "The Pink Floyd" %
Syd Barrett Roger Waters | Richard Wright Nick Mason PIPER
guitar bass | keyboards drums
----------------------------+-+---------------------------
|
|
"Bullitt" |
| | "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters David Gilmour |Syd Barrett Richard Wright Nick Mason ASOS
bass guitar | guitar keyboards drums
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|
|
|
| "Pink Floyd"
Roger Waters David Gilmour | Richard Wright Nick Mason MORE,
bass guitar | keyboards drums upto
----------------------------+------+------------------- THE WALL
| |
| |
| +--------------------+
| |
| "Pink Floyd" |
Roger Waters David Gilmour | Nick Mason TFC |
bass guitar | drums |"Zee" IDENTITY
----------------------------+------------ Dave Harris| Rick Wright
| guitar| keyboards
| |
+---+ -------+--------
| |
| "Pink Floyd" # |
David Gilmour | Nick Mason AMLOR DSOT |
guitar | drums |
--------------+------------- |
| |
| +-------+
| |
| "Pink Floyd" # |
David Gilmour | Nick Mason Richard Wright TDB,
guitar | drums keyboards PULSE
--------------+------------------------------
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|
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# David Gilmour's Pink Floyd is sometimes referred to as Pink Floyd 1987 Ltd
[Thanks to Daniel Cotten (dcotten@wt.net)]
One would hate to impeach such an unimpeachable authority as Mr. Fitch over such a trivial matter, however, the REG site claims to have the correct date through Water's manager:
Roger's birthday confused to death
I am often getting asked: "When is Roger Waters Birthday?" As any well read fan I used to reply: Why on Sept. 9, 1944 of course. Wrong!
Little did I know that I had been dispensing inaccurate information for years! Because of the confusion regarding the year of Roger's birth, I reported the truth of the matter in REG issue #15. There had been a publishing discrepancy regarding the year that Roger was born. Some books reported that Roger was born in 1944, others reported that it was 1943. I learned that it was statistically impossible for Roger to have been born in 1944. The correct year of Roger's birth is in fact 1943.
However, the confusion did not stop there. I understand that he was born in 1943, but on what day? A number of reliable sources list September 6th as his birth date, while other reliable sources list September 9th as his date of birth.
September 9, is listed as Roger's birth date in various promo materials. Even though they list conflicting years, September 9, is also listed as Roger's birth date in the book Pink Floyd, A Visual Documentary by Miles, and in Schaffner's Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets biography.
However, Roger's birth date is listed as September 6, 1943 in the Pink Floyd - In the Flesh book by Glenn Povey & Ian Russell, as well as in a number of magazine articles, and in the Encyclopedia of Rock Stars book.
To solve this dilemma, I called up an unimpeachable source, Mark Fenwick, Roger Waters' manager. Asked about the truth regarding this matter he replied; Roger Waters was born September 6, 1943!
So there you have it, the true birth date of Roger Waters, almost from the horse's mouth so to speak.
02 : Did the bands that preceded Pink Floyd make any records ?
Did the bands that preceded Pink Floyd make any records?
Of all the permutations that Pink Floyd went through, none
were ever commercially successful. The only band which even
released anything was Joker's Wild, Gilmour's old band. Their
record was a one-sided LP, which contained all cover versions:
This "LP" was limited to only about 50 copies, and has recently sold for as much as £1000 (approx. $1800 US). A copy is held, and can be heard, at the British National Archives.
They also recorded two singles. One was Sam & Dave's "You Don't Know What I Know" with Otis Redding's "That's How Strong My Love Is." But the original version of "You Don't Know" became popular at about the same time, and the single was "dead on arrival." There was also a single from the above LP, "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" with "Don't Ask Me" as the b- side.
The EP is currently available on a variety of RoIOs, and can be found as MP3 files on the Internet.
03 : What Albums Have Pink Floyd Released
What Albums Have Pink Floyd Released
Without starting a detailed discography, here is a list of all
albums released by Pink Floyd as a band. Following that is a
list of other albums on which Floyd appears, then a list of
solo albums. [other songs] lists songs only available on
singles, and all known unreleased material. Section 0 tells
where to find a listing of all "guest work" done by members of
Pink Floyd; explains how to get a list of artists that have
covered PF songs.
For a detailed discography (by country), including album covers and much more, please check out the Pink Floyd archives web site.
"Pink Floyd Albums"
| The Piper at the Gates of Dawn | 5 August 1967 @&* |
| A Saucerful of Secrets | 29 June 1968 @& |
| More | 27 July 1969 % |
| Ummagumma | 25 October 1969 @& |
| Atom Heart Mother | 10 October 1970 @&* |
| Meddle | 11 November 1971 @& |
| Obscured by Clouds | 3 June 1972 % |
| The Dark Side of the Moon | 24 March 1973 @&* |
| Wish You Were Here | 15 September 1975 @&* |
| Animals | 23 January 1977 @&* |
| The Wall | 30 November 1979 @&* |
| The Final Cut | 21 March 1983 @& |
| A Momentary Lapse of Reason | 8 September 1987 |
| Delicate Sound of Thunder | 22 November 1988 |
| The Division Bell | 30 March 1994 |
| Pulse | 6 June 1995 |
| #Pink Floyd | 1967@ (first American release) |
| #Best of Pink Floyd | 1970* (compilation, Dutch) |
| Relics | 1971** (compilation) |
| #A Nice Pair | 1973 (_Piper_ & ASoS as 2-LP) |
| #Pink Floyd Milestones | 197? (_Piper_ & ASoS, Dutch 2-LP) |
| A Collection of Great Dance Songs | 1981 (compilation) |
| Pink Floyd Hits | 198?% (compilation, Brazilian) |
| Works | 1983 (compilation, w/"Embryo") |
| Shine On - Special 9 CD Box Set | 1992& (w/ early singles) |
| Shine On - Selections from the Box | 1992^ |
| Dark Side of the Moon XX | 1993 (20th anniversary ed.) |
| The Piper at the Gates of Dawn | 1997 (30th anniversary ed.) |
* Rereleased throughout Europe as _Masters of Rock_ Vol. 1 in 1974.
** also available as remastered LP as part of the 30th anniversary box
% Brazilian version of ACoGDS with "The Gunner's Dream" in place of
"One of These Days."
& Contains remastered CDs of: ASoS, _Meddle_, DSotM, WYWH, _Animals_, _The Wall_, AMLoR, and a CD (mostly mono) of their first 5 singles. Also includes a hardcover book, several "postcards," and "minimalist" packaging for the albums themselves.
^ Contains "See Emily Play," "Set the Controls...," "OoTD," "Money," "SOYCD [edit]," "Dogs," "Comfortably Numb," "ABITW2," and "One Slip.
| Syd Barrett | The Madcap Laughs | 1970 |
| Syd Barrett | Barrett | 1970 |
| Roger Waters | Music from The Body | 1970* |
| #Syd Barrett | Syd Barrett | 1974** |
| David Gilmour | David Gilmour | 1978 |
| Richard Wright | Wet Dream | 1978 |
| Nick Mason | Fictitious Sports | 1981^ |
| David Gilmour | About Face | 1984 |
| Roger Waters | Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking | 1984 |
| #Zee | Identity | 1984+ |
| Nick Mason | Profiles | 1985++ |
| Roger Waters | When The Wind Blows (sndtk) | 1986& |
| Roger Waters | Radio KAOS | 1987 |
| Syd Barrett | The Peel Sessions (EP) | 1988&& |
| Syd Barrett | Opel (compilation/rare tracks | 1988 |
| Roger Waters | The Wall--Live in Berlin | 1990 |
| Syd Barrett | Octopus ("Best of") | 1992 |
| Roger Waters | Amused to Death | 1992 |
| Syd Barrett | Crazy Diamond (Box Set) | 1993^^ |
| Rick Wright | Broken China | 1996 |
** _Madcap_ and _Barrett_ repackaged as a double album.
^ Essentially a Carla Bley album -- Mason plays, but wasn't involved in the writing. Bley and her husband, Mike Mantler, are well known and respected in the jazz world. Features vocals by the Soft Machine's Robert Wyatt.
+ Zee was a band comprised of Richard Wright and Dave Harris.
++ With Rick Fenn of 10cc, and features Gilmour with vocals on one track. Also available in a remastered version as part of the Sony Special Projects Collectors Series.
& Second half of album features Waters and The Bleeding Heart Band (the first time his band was called such). Only two of these songs have lyrics -- the rest are short instrumentals. Also on the album are tracks by David Bowie, Hugh Cornwell, Genesis, Squeeze, and Paul Hardcastle.
&& Features "Two of a Kind," which was written by Rick Wright but credited to Syd Barrett
^^ _Madcap_, _Barrett_, and _Opel_ packaged with alternate takes of the album songs. This was not available in the US until 1994, except as an import.
| Tonite Let's All Make Love In London (soundtrack) | 1968 |
| %Zabriskie Point (soundtrack) | 1970 |
| #Picnic (Harvest label sampler -- "Terrapin," "Embryo") | 1970 |
| Rock Goes to the Movies (Z-Point songs) | 19?? |
| ?Harvest Heritage -- 20 Greats ("Octopus") | 19?? |
| ?Supertracks ("Money") | 19?? |
| ?The Summit ("Welcome to the Machine") | 19?? |
| ?The Harvest Story Vol. 1 ("Love You") | 19?? |
| ?Filmtracks -- The Best of British Film Music (ABITW) | 19?? |
| #Underground ("See Emily Play" and ASoS) | 19?? |
| #Listen in Good Health (SSoSFAGTiaCaGwaP) | 1970 |
| #A Sampler for Singles Only ("Money") | 19?? |
| #Song & Dance Sampler ("Us and Them") | 19?? |
| #A Harvest Sampler ("Point Me at the Sky") | 19?? |
| ?Rock Connections with Mike Harrison (ABITW2) | 19?? |
| ?Psychedelic Psnack ("See Emily Play") | 19?? |
| #Rarities 8-23-92 ("Candy and a Currant Bun") | 199? |
| #Rarities 9-20-82 ("Point Me at the Sky") | 198? |
| #A Good Harvest ("Baby Lemonade") | 19?? |
| ?Rock Legends (edited "Money" from US single) | 19?? |
| ?The New Spirit of Capitol ("Astronomy Domine") | 19?? |
| ?Before the Fall ("Baby Lemonade" from BBC sessions) | 19?? |
| #The Heavyweights ("Have a Cigar") | 19?? |
| #Quadrafile ("Money") | 1976 |
| #Four Temas De Film (BtBBH -- _Wall_ movie version) | 198? |
| #Westwood One In Concert--David Gilmour 7/12/84 | 198? |
| Knebworth: The Album ("Comfortably Numb" and RLH) | 1990 |
| Flashback -- Rock Classics of the 70s ("Money") | 1991 |
| A CD Full of Secrets | 199? |
| Superstar Concert Series: Pink Floyd at Knebworth | 1990 1992 |
"Honorable Mentions -- Tribute and Cover Albums"
| ?Discoballs: A Tribute to Pink Floyd | 19??^ |
| Fuck Your Dreams, This is Heaven | 19??$ |
| Beyond the Wildwood: A Tribute to Syd Barrett | 1987* |
| Objects of Fantasy/Orchestral Maneuvers | 1989 |
| Pink Rock -- Super Sounds of the Seventies | 1991@ |
| Hits of PF: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra | 1994 |
| Trance Remixes | 1994 |
| A Saucerful of Pink | 1995& |
| The Moon Revisited | 1995% |
| Echoes Tribute Tape | 1995+ |
| A Saucerful Of Echoes | 1998++ |
* Features "No Good Trying" (The Mock Turtles), "Octopus" (Plasticland), "Arnold Layne" (SS-20), "Matilda Mother" (Paul Roland), "She Took a Long Cold Look" (Fit and Limo), "Long Gone" (The Shamen), "If the Sun Don't Shine" (Opal -- inspired by "Jugband Blues"), "Baby Lemonade" (The Ashes in the Morning), "Wolfpack" (The Lobster Quadrille), "Golden Hair" (The Paint Set), "No Man's Land" (Tropicana Fishtank), "Apples and Oranges" (The TV Personalities), "Two of a Kind" (The Soup Dragons), "Scream Thy Last Scream" (The Green Telescope), "See Emily Play" (The Chemistry Set), "Rats" (What Noise), and "Gigolo Aunt" (Death of Samantha).
^ Album of disco covers by French group Rosebud. Includes "Have a Cigar," "Free Four," "Summer '68," "Interstellar Overdrive," "Money," "One of these Days," "Arnold Layne," and the "Main Theme" from _More_.
@ By the Alex Bollard Assembly. Fairly true-to-album versions of "One of These Days (Part 1)", "Arnold Layne," "See Emily Play," "Let There Be More Light," "Atom Heart Mother," "Summer '68," "A Pillow Of Winds," "Obscured By Clouds," "Burning Bridges," "Breathe," "Time," "Money," "Us and Them," "Wish You Were Here," "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," "Sheep," (2:43) "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2)," "Run Like Hell," and "One of These Days (Part 2)"
& Contains techno/industrial covers of "Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun" (Psychic TV), "Another Brick in the Wall" (Controlled Bleeding), "One of these Days" (Spahn Ranch), "Wot's...Uh the Deal" (Sky Cries Mary), "Interstellar Overdrive" (Spiral Realms), "Learning to Fly" (Leather Strip), "To Roger Waters Where Ever You Are" (Ron Geesin), "Jugband Blues" (Eden), "On the Run" (DIN), "Echoes" (Alien Sex Fiend), "Hey You" (Furnace), "Careful With That Ax, Eugene" (Alien Sex Fiend), "Lucifer Sam" (The Electric Hellfire Club), "Pigs On The Wing (pt. 1)" (Helios Creed), "Let there be More Light" (Pressurehed), "Young Lust" (Penal Colony), "A Saucerful of Secrets" (EXP), "Point Me at the Sky" (Melting Euphoria), and "The Nile Song" (Far Flung)
% A DSotM cover album, all songs are (almost) exactly like the original
version.
Includes "Speak to Me/Breathe" (Cairo), "On the Run" (Rob LaVaque),
"Time" (Shadow Gallery), "The Great Gig in the Sky" (Dark Side of the
Moon), "Money" (Magellan), "Us & Them" (Enchant), "Any Colour You Like"
(World Trade), "Brain Damage" (Robert Berry), and "Eclipse" (Jon-Michael
Engard, Rob LaVaque, Robert Berry, Ted Leonard, Trent Gardner Billy
Sherwood, Bret Douglas, and Mike Baker)
+ A tribute tape put together by members of the Echoes mailing list. Contains "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun," "Grantchester Meadows," One of these Days," "Fearless," a PF medley including "Wot's'... Uh the Deal," "The Gunners Dream," "Sorrow," and "Pigs (Three Different Ones)," "Mudmen," "Breathe," "Any Colour You Like," "Shine On You Crazy Diamond (pt.2, live)," "Shine On You Crazy Diamond (pt.9)," "Young Lust," "Hey You," "Is There Anybody Out There?," "Comfortably Numb," "Cluster One," "High Hopes," and "Breathe."
This tape was compiled by James Hayward, who lost net access shortly after the fact.
++A new (set of) tribute tapes being put together by members of the Echoes mailing list. Volume 1 was released in 1998. For full details and possible contributions see http://asoe.cjb.net or contact Dave Ward at pink-floyd@writeme.com.
"Has anyone seen these orchestral albums?"
There are currently three albums of orchestral cover versions of Pink Floyd songs, two played by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, and the other played by the London Philharmonic Orchestra. The band itself was not involved with any of these.
Generally, it's not bad, but sometimes it borders on "elevator music." Interesting listening, at the least. A few of the tracks contain vocals. Also on the album are Steve Hackett (from Genesis), and Clare Torry.
* _Hits of Pink Floyd_ Arranged and conducted by Hermann Weindorf. It includes "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," "Money," "Us and Them," "Hey You," "Another Brick in the Wall," "Wish You Were Here," "Time," "The Great Gig in the Sky," and "In the Flesh."
While such things are, of course, subjective, this album has generally received better reviews than _Orchestral Maneuvers_. It's also, to my knowledge, only currently available in Europe.
* Us And Them: Symphonic Pink Floyd Arranged by Jaz Coleman (of Killing Joke); conducted by Peter Scholes; produced by Youth (also of Killing Joke). The tracks are "Time," "Brain Damage," "Another Brick In The Wall, Part Two," "Comfortably Numb," "Breathe In The Air," "Money," "The Great Gig In The Sky," "Nobody Home," "Us And Them," "Time (The Old Tree With Winding Roots Behind The Lake of Dreams Mix)."
Overall, a very solid and worthwhile piece of work, surprisingly (and happily) free of the "elevator music" effect usually created by symphonic albums. Many of the tracks resemble the sort of work John Williams does on Steven Speilberg adventure movies, big sweeping movements with soaring instrumentation. Cover art and design was done by Roger Dean (who is known for his distinctive style seen on Yes album covers.) The album's extensive liner notes include Coleman's personal notes on each track.
Also in the area of orchestral versions of Floyd songs, The London Symphony Orchestra recorded an arrangement of "Another Brick in the Wall" for the _Classic Rock - Rock Classics_ album.
"Interview Discs"
Some of these are radio discs, some are promos, and some are legitimate, limited edition official releases.
| Limited Edition TDB Interview Disc | CD, 1994 |
| Limited Edition Picture Disc Int | CD, 1980/1986 |
| Take it Back Interview | 2CD, 1980/1986 -- same as above |
| #An Insight into Pink Floyd | 2LP, 1987 |
| #An INNER-VIEW Special-PINK FLOYD | 2LP |
| #Innerview-PINK FLOYD | 2LP, Series 17 Shows #6 and #7 |
| #Pink Floyd-The Rock Years | 3LP, hours 25, 31, and 46 |
| #Royalty of Rock-Pink Floyd | LP |
| #Shades of Pink-The Legend of PF | 6LP, 1984 |
| #The Inside Track with Lisa Robinson | 3LP, Week of October 22, 1984 |
| Innerview-David Gilmour | 1978 |
| #Off the Record Special-David Gilmour | 2LP, 1984 |
| #Innerview-David Gilmour 84 | Series #28, Show #2 |
| #Innerview-Nick Mason 85 | Series #34, Show #13 |
| #Innerview-Roger Waters 84 | Series #28, show #12 |
| #BBC Rock Hour Special #529-Roger Waters | 1984 |
| In The Studio: DSotM | CD, 8aug88, 12mar90, 22mar93 |
| In The Studio: Wish You Were Here | CD, 18sep95 |
| In The Studio: The Wall (parts 1&2) | 2CD, 10&17jul89, 9&16jul90, 7&14nov94 |
| In The Studio: The Division Bell | 2CD, 19&26dec94 |
| In The Studio: Shine On (box set) | 2CD, 2&9may94, 27may & 3jun96 |
NOTE: Some interview discs feature pictures of old (Syd-era) Floyd, but contain interviews with AMLoR-era Floyd members. For example, the "Limited Edition Picture Disc Interview," part of the TALKING PICTURE series, lists two tracks:
Also, Rockline shows were done with Gilmour & Mason for AMLoR, DSoT, and the Shine On box set. A Rockline special for Gilmour's About Face was done, as well as shows with Waters for his Pros and Cons and Radio KAOS albums, plus a Rockline special for the Berlin performance of The Wall in 1990.
The Album Network broadcast the world premiere of Amused to Death (27aug92) hosted by Bob Coburn, a Division Bell press conference (3feb94) hosted by Coburn with Steve O'Rourke and Mark Brickman, The Division Bell world premiere (30mar94) hosted by Redbeard with the band, and the p.u.l.s.e world premiere (1jun95) hosted by Dan Neer with Gilmour and Mason.
04 : What Rare Releases are out there
What Rare Releases are out there ? Here's a list of rare, special, or limited editions, promo items you might find for sale, and other "interesting" releases:
Caveat: This list is by its very nature incomplete, but gives a good indication of the most well-known items.
Promo Singles
| Arnold Layne/Candy & A Currant Bun | rare picture sleeve |
| See Emily Play | rare picture sleeve |
| Apples & Oranges/Paintbox | DJ picture sleeve |
| It Would Be So Nice | 1983 12" 1 sided |
| When The Tigers Broke Free/ | 12" |
| Bring The Boys Back Home Money |
1 sided 12" pink vinyl |
| On the Turning Away/Run Like Hell | pink vinyl single |
| Money/Another Brick in the Wall, pt.2 | 12" pink vinyl |
| Flaming/The Gnome | Tower 368, unique "Gnome" |
| Not Now John (obscured) | 12" 1 sided DJ |
| Run Like Hell (6:21/3:25) | single |
| On the Turning Away/Run Like Hell | pink vinyl single |
| Money/Another Brick in the Wall, pt.2 | 12" pink vinyl |
| Remember a Day/Let There Be More Light | single |
| One of These Days | single |
| Love on the Air | picture disc |
Japanese Singles/EPs
A lot of Floyd material has been released in Japan on single/EP, sometimes even on red vinyl.
Promo EPs
| Dark Side of the Moon | 1973 DJ Sampler 12" |
| Off The Wall 1979 | DJ Sampler 12" |
| Pompeii | DJ Sampler 12" |
| Tour '75 | 1975 DJ Promo + |
| '94 Barrett | pink EP # |
| David Gilmour | 1978 DJ Promo EP @ |
| Selections from The Final Cut | DJ Promo % |
| Selections from Pros and Cons | DJ promo % |
@ Four-track promo sampler for the _David Gilmour_ LP, with "Deafinitely," "Mihalis," "Short And Sweet" and "So Far Away." This might have been one of the Selections From type promos.
# Contains album versions of "Terrapin," "Octopus," "Baby Lemonade," and "Effervescing Elephant"
% Selections From XXX promos contain a limited number (usually 4) of songs from the album, which are the ones deemed by the record company to be most suitable for air play. The promos have a low quality (almost Xeroxed looking) cover.
I have personally seen the TFC and +-oHH ones, but would not be surprised if these were released for more albums.
Rare Box Sets:
| First XI | box set of PatGoD through Animals,
with original sleeves except
DSotM and _Animals_ (picture
discs, not in French edition) |
| |
| Pink Floyd--The Box | European box set of WYWH through AMLoR CDs (including ACoGDS) |
Quadraphonic Albums:
| Q4SHVL 781 | _Atom Heart Mother_ |
| Q4SHVL 804 | _The Dark Side of the Moon_ |
| Q4SHVL 814 | _Wish You Were Here_ |
Limited Edition Album Packages
| _Animals_ Pig Box | pink wooden box ^ |
| _Atom Heart Mother_ Cow Box | white wooden cow box ^ |
| _Dark Side_ Prism Box | black wooden triangle box ^ |
| _Dark Side_ Pyramid Box | black wooden pyramid box ^ |
| _The Wall_ Brick Wall Box | wall-shaped box ^ |
| _Delicate Sound_ Light bulb Box | wooden box ^ |
| _The Division Bell_ Slip case | Australian limited edition |
| The Division Box | limited edition TDB promo % |
| The Wall: Live in Berlin Video Box | VHS video, the 2CD set, and an expanded booklet |
^ These are all limited editions (1000-2000 made, depending)
All about Quadraphonics
Quadraphonic systems allow the recording and reproduction of
four distinct channels of sound (as opposed to the two
channels of standard stereo). The system the Floyd used for
their three Quad albums (_Atom Heart Mother_, DSotM, and WYWH)
was also known as "the SQ system." The following is an
explanation of the system taken from a quad LP, and some
additional notes, both courtesy Aaro Koskinen.
"How the SQ system works"
The SQ systems enables four channels of sound to be reproduced from the left and right hand walls of the groove of an LP record.
To attain this it has been necessary to develop two devices -- the Encoder to convert four signals from the quadraphonic master tape to two signals and the Decoder to decipher these complex signals and convert them back again to four separate signals for reproduction from four loudspeakers.
With the two additional channels of the quadraphonic tape, the Encoder produces two additional modulation components.
The SQ disc, then, carries in its grooves four encoded signals.
To decipher these four signals and recreate the quadraphonic sources, the SQ Decoder is needed. The Decoder senses the four basic modulations and produces four signals containing predominantly the sounds of the corresponding original four quadraphonic tape channels.
For the SQ system, these are:
Front left - major left w/minor feeds to rear left and front right
Front right - major right w/minor feeds to front left and rear right
Rear left - major rear left w/minor feeds to front left and rear right
Rear right - major rear right w/minor feeds to rear left and front right
These signals are then directed to power amplifiers and four loudspeakers placed in the respective corners of the listening area, resulting in a realistic reproduction of the original quadraphonic master tape.
However, no special pickup is needed. Stereo pickup cartridges are capable of receiving all of these modulations.
"What do I need to play Quad albums?"
The only special equipment you need is a "SQ decoder", which you place on the turntable (cartridge) output leads. Then you need of course two amps and four speakers.
Apparently the decoders are no longer being manufactured.
BTW, if you play Quad LPs without decoder, the result is just normal stereo (except the mix is different. e.g. the version of Money in the quad mix features a few seconds of Dave Gilmour scatting at the end of the song that are not on the regular stereo mixes).
What are VariLites?
Taken from a post by D. Jordan Taylor
<jordant@mindspring.com>:
VariLites are automated, computer-driven, programmable little spotlights that are capable of changing color, focus, direction, and beam type with near instantaneous speed. They are the lights that were placed on the edge of "Mr. Screen" and hundreds of other places on the lighting trusses. They eliminate union spot-op jobs onstage, leaving the work for those guys in the audience and on the lighting towers.
They are the solution to the problem presented in the late seventies, "How do we get a few hundred very fast and perfectly operating spotlights where we'd like them?" by stage and lighting designers.
They were developed for Genesis and the band had exclusive rights and use of the little robot-like machines for a couple/few years. Showco was the company who brought them "to light" and Genesis is rumored to have bought the company (or at least the VariLite division) shortly after they made millions and millions on tour.
07 : What Are Some Good Sources For Collectors
What Are Some Good Sources For Collectors?
Any major record store should be able to order any of the
"normal" releases that they don't carry -- including imports
like _When the Wind Blows_ and some of the remastered EMI CDs.
You can also use the on-line CD stores for this
(www.cdnow.com, www.cdeurope.com, etc.) But if you're looking
for promotional items, 7" singles, or other, rarer material,
your best bet may be to check one of the places mentioned
below.
Record Collector Magazine is a UK publication that specializes in the Record Collectors market (hence it's title). The magazine is roughly half articles, and half for sale/wanted ads. I've seen pretty much every Floyd item for sale in their columns. You should be able to get a copy of Record Collector from the better magazine store.
"Hip Cat Records"
Hip Cat is a good place to get the latest Pink Floyd albums, singles, books, magazine interviews, and concert paraphernalia; as well as older, rare, and foreign releases. Request a catalog from them at:
| Hip Cat Records | M-Th 11am to 8:30pm CST |
| 1089 W. Dundee Road | F-Sa 11am to 9:30pm |
| Wheeling IL 60090-3908 | Sun 12pm to 6:00pm |
| USA | |
| (1) 708-537-0066 |
"Crazy Diamond"
A Dutch based record shop, run by Charles Beterams who is also one of the persons behind the Azimuth Coordinator fanzine. Has a large variety of Floydian goodies, albums, CDs, rare vinyl, concert stubs, poster and other memorabilia.
You can contact Crazy Diamond through info@crazy-diamond.nl or at http://www.crazy-diamond.nl
"The Pink Floyd Archives"
The Pink Floyd Archives was created in the mid-seventies by collector Vernon Fitch to provide a centralized place for Pink Floyd information and collectibles. The Archives includes collections of numerous Pink Floyd items, but is best known for its Collectors Guides to Pink Floyd recordings and videos in which Vernon has documented the band's history through detailed listings of actual concert recordings. The Archives has worked with numerous publishers of Pink Floyd books and magazines, has helped the band members out with various requests and has been involved in assisting MTV and the BBC with their Pink Floyd specials.
You can contact the Archives by mail at:
08 : Pink Floyd and Musicclubs
Pink Floyd and music clubs
[Edited and expanded from an Echoes posting] The reason
involves song copyrights and band contracts. There are two
copyrights for most songs: the (c) copyright for the written
music, and the (p) copyright for the recorded music. 99% of
the times, the record label owns the (p) copyright. In the
band's record contract, they agree on royalties based on sales
of that recorded music -- through retail, from licensing to
compilation records, from use in movies, etc. The royalty for
music club sales is low (only about half the regular amount),
and *no* royalty is paid on the units the clubs give away for
free (those 12 for 1 deals).
This obviously isn't a great deal for the band, then. The clubs make their money from volume, the record companies collect their licensing money as usual, but the band gets ripped. Pink Floyd is one of the few bands that are established enough that they both have no need for the promotional benefits a record club offers, and have the leverage to prohibit music club sales in their recording contract. This is why you don't see any of their albums offered. The only exceptions are items like Roger's _The Wall: Live in Berlin_ (which was done as a one-off by Polygram), and Syd's albums (which aren't nearly the sellers that Floyd albums are).
09 : What rarities are outthere ?
What rarities are out there?
*[NOTE: early versions of the FAQ listed in this section also
cover songs performed at sound checks or by Dave Gilmour on
various public appearances. This list was incomplete, and
including all known songs would make this list at least twice
as large as it is now. Also, removed from this section are
singles and B-sides]*
*[NOTE2: At this moment, work is underway to collect and list
all known existing rarities and spread this collection under
the fans. If and when this project is finished, this section
will be updated ]*
** These songs were found in a volume of copyrighted musical
works. "Seabirds" had lyrics, while the others were
instrumentals. They appeared in the film, but were omitted from
the album. Also, the music for "Seabirds" has apparently been
published in a music book at some time (though the lyrics were
different than in the movie).
+ "Violent" was originally written for the movie _Zabriskie
Point_ and was performed during some of their tours of the
period as a part of a 20 minute piece including bits of "Heart
Beat, Pig Meat." [From Gerhard]: Part 1 is a tremendous drum
part, sometimes labeled as "Corrosion" Part 2 is a piano-based
part, which could be "Heart Beat, Pig Meat" Part 3 is again a
drum-based thing, and also appears on some RoIOs as "Corrosion"
Part 4 is "The Violent Sequence," a piano-based part that sounds
really familiar (and that's because it's the base for "Us &
Them"). The sequence the song was written for involved riots or
some such being shown in slow motion.
# The "Do Your Own Lead" version of "Terminal Frost" supposedly
had the guitar part removed from the mix. However, on both the
"Learning to Fly" single and "CD Full of Secrets" radio
disk/RoIO, it's the same song as on the album.
++ [from Adam Winstanley]: "Moonhead" was included as part of a
documentary on BBC TV on the night of the first moon landing.
[20 July 1969 -- ed.] It was in an "arts" series called Omnibus,
this particular program being about people's differing perceptions
of the moon through time (a goddess, lunatics, romantic moonlight,
werewolves baying at it ... etc. etc.) The program was subtitled
"What if it's just green cheese."
& Spelled both "Oneone" or "Oenone" a roughly equal percentage
of time. "Oenone" is a name from Greek mythology. The
argument for "Oneone" is that it would be pronounced (oh-
nee-oh-nee) the same way as the name of the film's director,
Michelangelo Antonioni.
^ Likely recorded in 1970. Exactly who is singing is not known;
some combination of Nick Mason/Alan Styles/John Peel.
10 : What are all these remasters ?
What are all these remasters?
"A list of 'original master'-type releases"
Vinyl:
+ MFSL UHQR (Ultra High Quality Record)
+ Columbia:
+ Odeon (Japanese Red Vinyl)
+ Sony:
+ Capitol:
"The _Shine On_/EMI remasters"
Remastered versions of ASoS, _Meddle_, DSotM, WYWH, _Animals_,
and _The Wall_ have been available since 1992 as part of the
Sony/EMI _Shine On_ box set. The DSotM remaster was also made
available as a 20th Anniversary edition, with special
packaging.
More recently, all these remastered albums were made available
separately; and additionally, most other Floyd albums have
been remastered in the same manner. The only exceptions are
the compilation album Works and the most recent albums which
have no need for touching up (DSoT, TDB, and p.u.l.s.e).
These remasters are based on the original master tapes, and
were done by Doug Sax (supervised by James Guthrie) at the
Mastering Lab, in Los Angeles. They generally represent a
higher level of quality than the previous Harvest discs (which
in turn were generally superior to the Capitol and CBS discs
sold in the US). In addition to the heightened sound quality,
the remastered editions feature (in almost all cases) expanded
booklets with new artwork and lyrics (even on the early
albums!); the discs themselves are all picture discs.
NOTE: There has been some disagreement over whether the new
EMI discs that have _Shine On_ counterparts are or are not
identical. The general consensus is that they are; and if they
are not, then they were at least done by the same people, at
the same location, with the same equipment, at the same time,
and for the same company.
"The MFSL Gold Discs"
These "Ultradiscs," produced by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs,
have three main (and a minor) selling points:
So if there is any sonic improvement it is not because of
the Gold in the discs, but the quality of the remastering.
If you have a high end record player, and have not yet
heard the MFSL Floyd albums, try to get hold of them, the
improvement is enormous.
Personally, I (Gerhard) prefer the MFSL vinyl releases
above any CD release (even over the MFSL CDs) but this is
a matter of taste and equipment.
In addition, Mobile Fidelity "Ultradisc II"'s use a
special analog-digital conversion component system called
the "GAIN" system that results in sound even better than
previous Ultradiscs. The Atom Heart Mother MFSL CD uses
this process.
There's a lot more info on Mobile Fidelity at their WWW
page: http://www.mofi.com. They also have an e-mail
address: mofi@mofi.com
"Sony's SBM Process"
Sony's Super Bit Map (SBM) Process [from Dave Cowl:]
One samples the analog at 20 bits. (Or one takes a 20 bit
master.) Apparently, new digital recorders are being made
which will record 20 bit samples - previously a hard disc
recording system was required (and seems to be the way
they still do it mostly).
Then one analyses the round off bits, to accurately
ascertain the quantization noise.
The quantization noise spectrum is calculated, and then
shaped so that the noise is shifted to be mainly in the
higher frequencies, where it is less audible. The total
noise level is the same - just the frequency band where
the noise occurs differs. This modified quantization noise
is then used to choose the last bit (or 2 bits?) of the
16. So, instead of being white noise added to 14 bits
resolution, or (apparently worse) pure quantization noise,
it is an accurately sampled waveform with the noise
largely shifted away from the lower frequencies.
The result is supposed to be difficult to distinguish from
the 20 bit master.
11 : A collection of great setlists
A collection of great set lists
Here is a list of (perhaps) all the known non-album Pink Floyd
tracks. Many of these are available illegally. Some have never
been heard by the general public. Some may not even exist.
...and a few other items, mostly just instrumental jams from
concerts and edited versions of songs for radio air play. See
also the list of movies and videos, some of which also
contain unreleased material.
Lucy Lee in Blue Tights
first group composition, may have become "Lucy Leave" I Get Stoned
demo recorded at their first session King Bee
blues song, covered by the Rolling Stones, written by Moore, recorded by Slim Harpo Lucy Leave
from '66 sessions Silas Lang
from very early "basement" sessions, 1966 Flapdoodle Dealing
unreleased early live piece I Can Tell
unreleased early live song Snowing
unreleased early live track Piggy Back
unreleased early live piece Pink
unreleased early live piece Millionaire
unreleased early track, sometimes called "She Was A Millionaire" One in a Million
early live song, sometimes called "Rush in a Million" Reaction in G
12 October 1967 The Gnome
rare mix on back of "Flaming" single Scream Thy Last Scream
late Syd song, announced as "An Old Woman with a Casket" Vegetable Man
late Syd song Have You Got It Yet?
late Barrett/Floyd "song" The Boppin' Sound
unreleased track/working title for a piece from the ASOS sessions, February
1968. T his might very well be the working title for a section of ASOS. Richard's Rave Up
unreleased track recorded February 1968 (possibly a working title for a section of ASoS) Nick's Boogie
the February 1968 session logs show entries for a song with this title. Was
probably a working title for a section of ASoS. Rhamadan
long (18 min) Barrett song from 1968. The Incarceration of a Flower Child
Waters demo, played for Marianne Faithfull Point Me At The Sky
extended, from the Top Gear sessions In the Beechwoods
unreleased track recorded May 1968 Interstellar Overdrive
live, _Ummagumma_ outtake John Latham
unreleased track recorded May 1968 Moonhead
from BBC TV ++ Baby Blue Shuffle in D (Major)
jam, became Part 1 of "The Narrow Way" Embryo
_Ummagumma_ outtake * Jews Harp and Windchimes
unreleased track recorded in 1969 Highway Song
unreleased track recorded in 1969 music from "The Committee"
a movie they did incidentals for Religious Experience
EMI outtake w/Barrett & Kevin Ayers, 1/70 Fingal's Cave
_Zabriskie_ outtake Oenone/Oneone
_Zabriskie_ outtake & Rain In The Country
_Zabriskie_ outtake Heart Beat, Pig Meat
_Zabriskie_ The Violent Sequence
part eventually became "Us and Them" + Bob Dylan Blues
unreleased Barrett track from 1970 Living Alone
unreleased Barrett track from 1970 Merry Christmas Song
from the John Peel Show, December 1975 ^ Seabirds
_More_ outtake (Waters) ** Theme (Beat Version)
_More_ outtake (entire band) ** Money
Waters' acoustic demo played on radio On The Run
1972 live guitar-based jam Time
early studio version, June '72 Us and Them
early studio version, June '72 Just Before You Disappear
unreleased Barrett song Lanky (Part 2)
unreleased Barrett instrumental Bitter Love
a.k.a. "How do You Feel," unreleased 1975 You Gotta Be Crazy
later became "Dogs" Raving and Drooling
later became "Sheep" Flight from Reality
from late 1975, "very strange" Sheep
with 23rd Psalm read by Mason Comfortably Numb
1978 Gilmour acoustic demo played on radio The Death of Sisco
possibly "Disco" or "Cisco,". Often assumed to be a Wall outtake. This track
might very well be the part of the The Wall show where the DJ/MC annoys the
audience. Synth Theme
unreleased song or working title from _The Wall_ sessions Prophet
unreleased song/alternative title from _The Wall_ sessions Overture for Comfortably Numb
unreleased/alternate track from _The Wall_ Overture
recorded for "Wall" movie When The Tigers Broke Free
from "The Wall" movie, later a single What Shall We Do Now?
from "The Wall" movie Outside the Wall
"Wall" movie version Not Now John (obscured)
expletives-deleted single The Hero's Return part II
Parts 1 & 2 on back of "Not Now John" obscured version single Sh-Boom
a 1954 "Crew Cuts" hit covered by Mason/Fenn Great Gig in the Sky
Nurofen advertisement, rerecording with Clare Torry Across the Universe
Waters, on 1986 BBC special for John Lennon with help from Andy Fairweather-Low Peace Be With You
from AMLoR, a 'good luck' message to Waters Sorrow
instrumental version Round and Around
extended Terminal Frost
"Do Your Own Lead" version # Going to Live in LA
Waters _KAOS_ single Waiting for the Drummer
live jam from the KAOS tour, 11/16/87 Dance with the Ferraris
instrumental from 4 Dec 1989 by Mason+Fenn at Essen Motor Show Another Brick in the Wall(2)
rerecorded by Roger for a _Berlin Wall_ promo CD Run Like Hell
Potsdamer Mix, from a _Berlin Wall_ promo Like A Rolling Stone
Gilmour demo played on Radio One, 28jul92 It's a Miracle
up-tempo version with Flea on bass Smiles for Miles
unreleased song recorded for ATD Small Theme
"La Carrera Panamericana" Big Theme
"La Carrera Panamericana" Carrera Slow Blues
"La Carrera Panamericana," not on released video Pan Am Shuffle
from "La Carrera Panamericana" film Take It Back
extended, from French promo CD
* This piece has many live recordings, and a studio version was
finally released on _Works_. A demo version was accidentally
released on _Picnic_ (a Harvest label sampler). Originally
intended to be a part of _Ummagumma_.
The original releases of some Pink Floyd albums used inferior
masters; and, in the case of some CD releases, featured poor
analog-to-digital conversions. Thus there have been a fair
number of "special" releases that attempt to correct these
deficiencies.
+ MFSL:
Compact Disc:
Meddle (Limited Edition)
The Dark Side of the Moon
Atom Heart Mother (Anadisq 200 Limited Edition)
The Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
The Wall
A Collection of Great Dance Songs
Amused to Death (Special Audiophile Edition)
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
A Saucerful of Secrets
More
Atom Heart Mother
Meddle
Obscured by Clouds
+ MFSL:
Atom Heart Mother
Meddle
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall (out of print)
Amused to Death SBM
Wish You Were Here SBM
Dark Side of the Moon XX (20th Anniversary Edition)
Note however that the first two claims are unproven. Cases
of oxidizing aluminum CDs (as sometimes happened with ROIO
CDs) were caused by errors in the manufacturing process.
This section has been deleted, this information can now be
found on the per-tour sections in the next sections of the
FAQ.
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